Name: DullaBhatti - August 22, 2002E-mail: dullabhatti47@yahoo.comComments: Zahra, that was a good post. I really mean it. There are couple of gems in it that I would try to hold on to. Thanks.Sameer, tusi awein apni poochh nu agg lagai phirde O janaab..tuhanu kisay nai bann'ni rakhRi...tusi bass chhallay mundiaN naal guzaara karo:-).Name: Sameer - August 21, 2002E-mail: jbsameer@yahoo.comComments: Rai suN raiRah takda bhaiN da bhaiBuhtiaN pyaraN waliyeTeri RakhRi daak wich aaiHappy RakhRi day to all brother-sister relationships. I guess it is on August 22?Name: Moizullah Tariq Malik - August 21, 2002E-mail: moizmalik@hotmail.comComments: ZJ: changay wicharaaN layee shukria and your post deserves that. regardsName: Zahra - August 21, 2002E-mail: ZJamshed@msn.comComments: Shikra: I will look forward to the suammary of your report. Please do include which areas did you visit to get the facts and figures. Anxiously waiting for an updated report. Polite Wishes!!!Name: Zahra - August 21, 2002E-mail: ZJamshed@msn.comComments: Few days or weeks back, I posted a link to NY Times article which compared both India and Pakistan in terms of who are they and what are they and what will they be. Rather than going for a fist fighting, I suggest that those who are mahi-ae-bismil on the stance of Punjabi, must put in their efforts in forming an institute that focuses on the promotion of Language and Literature. In other words, having a real APNA in each city than only relying on the cyber APNA. Urdu flourished and prospered because poetry and literature kept on moving. It never stopped. Do realize that in India, Urdu does not stand anywhere when it comes to its promotion and teaching. Also, despite the fact that the richest person in India is a Muslim. Urdu has no standing except for being used in movies. Urdu got more promotion after getting the status of the national language in Pakistan. What we lack as a nation(Pakistanis) is the fervor to promote our regional languages. All four regions have beautiful folk lores and themes that can be best understood in the native languages. Somehow, there is some reluctance to promote those languages. Foreign Affairs Magazine quoted last year that 65% of Pakistani population consisted of Punjabis. In that respect, the language deserves its right. And, any other argument should be slapped back and buried alive! This board has wasted enough time and energies on fighting back and forth on Urdu vs. Punjabi. There is no comparison and there will be no comparison. Both languages have their own merit. It's about putting time and efforts in pursuing a cause. And, if the efforts are genuinely routed towards a noble cause, they will be inshallah well rewarded. Just from my personal experience: To pursue any cause one has to put one's best foot forward but without any bitterness. Take that bitterness out of the system. If it will stay in there then it will become poisonous and that will always hamper the progress of the cause than letting one move forward with full effervesence. This is true about anything in life. It requires self discipline and that must be acquired to lead a peaceful, content and progressive future.Most of the interactors and participants on thsi board are adults, including me :) Keeping that in mind, one should not lose one's cool when stating one's point. Also, it's neither cool nor effective to use foul language, ridiculous expressions and dirty connotations to make your point. Being a female(I had to emphasize that), I am simply disgusted to read the above from anyone. It's not about maintaining the decorum. It's about showing your mindset and what lies inside. We all do not know each other and get to know about each other through the words and thoughts we express on this board. Now, if I read XYZ with all the horrible horrible thing he writes, then deep down inside I will have an impression of him. Once I form that impression then I will be prone to thinking that's what he/she is. Once that happens that I will be prejudiced. In reality that fellow may be an angel in disguise. Please do not make others form false impression of you. Well, only if that matters. Please no more Larayain!!! Name: Javed Zaki - August 21, 2002E-mail: zakimoha@msu.eduComments: Mitro! Ik geet haazar e. Chuss lao.. . . . . ( GEET ) . . . .Aa sajnaaN, aa moR mohaaraaNGhhin saawan diaaN chassaaNJaa wasyooN kis thhaar operiNaaN saaraaN naaN dassaaN. . . . Aa sajnaaN, aa moR moharaaNKaaliaaN badlaaN rim jhim laaiOmad omad meri jiNd tarssaiTere binaaN mera hor na kaaiJis de saNg meiN hassaaN. . . . Aa sajnaaN, aa moR moharaaNSik sadhraaN di maari jiNdRiTunn munn de iklaape cha keMooNjhaaN aNg sarir dokha keDas meiN keRhi raohi wassaaN. . . . As sajnaaN, aa moR moharaaNChan chaRsi kis paase Eid daMoaqa milsi kadooN deed daTahNgaaN meri neiNd waNjaaiJholiaaN pichhe nassaaN. . . . Aa sajnaaN, aa moR moharaaN1. Ghhin= Enjoy2. Thhaar operi= Strange place3. Saraan= news4. MooNjhaaN= Loneliness5. Raohi= Desert of South-West Punjab. It relatesto the love epic of Sassi-PonooN6. Wanjaai= DisturbName: Shikra - August 21, 2002E-mail: Prayet@hotmail.comComments: Bali: Janam din diya lakh lakh vadaiyan.....par sada cake kitheh giya?Name: Shikra - August 21, 2002E-mail: Prayet@hotmail.comComments: Farani: Thank you for speaking from your heart, I understand exactly what you are trying to say but thats because I am Punjabi. Non-Punjabis could never understand the love and passion you have for not only the language but the deep culture that comes with it, so dont expect any sympathy from them.Perhaps I am being optimistic but I really do feel that Punjabi will survive beyond any other language because its not just a language, its a way of life. Its far more deep rooted than any other and furthermore its become more and more fashionable, so to speak. Look at the Film and Music industry, in the last few years not a film has been made without having some kind of punjabi influence. Every kid in the sub continent is singing Punjabi songs all of a sudden. Ok, its not the serious poetry we want to promote but hey, its damn good start.Name: Sameer - August 21, 2002E-mail: jbsameer@yahoo.comComments: Saeed Farani: Pakistan Ideology is a thing of the past because it failed us in 1971 and since then failed to do anything positive at national and international level. There are plenty of people who are still living in the past with the baggage that came with Pakistan Ideology, Urdu as national language being part of that package. Pakistan needs a new package which must put the regional cultures of people supreme - above a common culture imposed in the name of one nation out of Two Nation Theory. All attempts to convert a theory, applicable to a certain time period and purpose, into a law and national identity has miserably failed as our national condition and international standing clearly attest.The experiment with the hypothesis of Islamic Republic in Pakistan has resulted in pathetic state of affairs in every field. It started off with ethnic cleansing and continued a downhill path ever since. It has produced AHs like Musharraf and Zia Ul Haque. The plundering of Pakistani resouces, revenues and cultures is continuing unabated.We need a revolution of thought based on cultures and progressive ideas instead of retrogressive Islamic state of mind that does nothing but keeps looking back and back, all the way to seventh century Arabia for guidance and blueprints for living in twenty first century.Some people have the guts to consider superiority of their language of choice and being abusive at the same time. Whose posts are deleted most at this site for using foul language? Once using foul language fails, trying to divide punjabis is applied. The relegation of Punjabi to secondary level with respect to Urdu at this site is accepted but not respected by most Punjabis. It is personal choice but the gospel of Urdu makes no converts. End of the story. Name: Bali K Deol - August 21, 2002E-mail: swaraj@shaw.caComments: Thanks all APNE for the warm greetings!Somewhere I read that 'Muhammad Bin Qasim, Mehmood Ghaznavi, Ghauri etc. are our heros'.It beats me how any human being, even more a Punjabi could consider these rapists, plunderers, murderers hero's!There is was nothing holy about their invasions, they were about as ungodly as you could get, 5 vaar namaaz par layi te lakhaaN de saahb naal injaana de atil kar laye, sohni gal e. Still there are people who consider them hero's. I suppose I should not be surprised as there are still some misguided souls who consider Hitler an angel sent from God. Perhaps somebody can shed some light on this!Name: Imran Ahmed - August 21, 2002E-mail: garaeen@hotmail.comComments: Saeed Farani,
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